Solution for Ayodhya :)
13 years ago
Tuesday, January 12, 2010
The link:
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm
It could be true too as per the information given on the website..
but can't comment as of now !!
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You've gotto be kidding!The building has a HISTORY!
ReplyDeleteWhat next , Mughals were actually from Nepal?
Hi Natasha..
ReplyDeletei feel the below-mentioned link will clear all your doubts:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html
(P.S.: I will suggest you to read it fully)
There can be hundreds of websites that deny history after twisting and turning facts.There are theories about our holy kaaba being a temple too and their could be websites endorsing the crap.Doesnt change the fact.
ReplyDeletesee....i feel u'll accept the fact that "History is written by victors" but that doesn't confirms that whatever crap the victors say is all true !!
ReplyDeleteisn't it..
Hence there's always another face to the coin too....and that is what i want to bring out here..
As far as "Kaaba" being a temple is there....as far as i know..it was a temple of Quraysh people....the original tribe of Mecca to which "Muhammad too belonged. Also the name "Allah" is the name of he moon god of the "Quraysh" people.
So, i feel its not crap to say that "Kaaba" was a temple but if somebody says that "Kaaba" was nevera temple is something which i feel is twisting the historical fact. It's just like the children of Afghan-Taliban saying that there was never a
Bamiyan Buddha statue which was worthy of reverrence (Which will be wrong and twisted history....isn't it)
NO!
ReplyDeleteKaaba was built by Abraham (pbuh)with his son Ishmael (Ismail) (pbuh)- The ancestors of Moses (peace be upon him) Jesus (peace be upon him) and Mohammad(peace be upon him).
It was not a temple but the quraysh started instilling their idols their which were later removed when Mekkah was conquered.See you've been fed wrong history!
Saying that a thing never existed is different than saying that it actually belongs to someone else.
I have no idea about the moon god thing you said so can't comment much on it.But the concept of GOD is totally different.
There's something called 'conspiracy theories' and some pro-saffron outfits in India keep coming up with one or the other every now and then to show how the 'majority' have been victimized by the 'minority' throughout the history and how 'scores must be settled' now that the majority has gained power again.You know what I mean?
They've not been able to prove the Ayodhya-Babri Masjid claim as yet.It's simple brainswashing sir!I dont expect sesible people to fall for such crap atleast!
Hi Natasha..
ReplyDeletethanks for replying !!
u've raised lot many issues.... :)
since u've spoken about "conspiracy theories".... i too can say that the facts which you are stating are part of conspiracy theory.
I don't want to indulge in the religion thing, as it involves lot many sentiments of different people, but since u've raised ur doubt..i would like to answer them with whatever li'l knowledge I am having regarding the different religions. But prior to my explanation, I would like to make it clear that no saffron party is indulged in creating these or that kind of theories about other religions (as far as i know....what i know is they are against the conversions which certain religions do by giving money to simple villagers)hence whatever you are saying regarding the saffron parties shows their wrong projection at your end. Being secular myself, i still consider that saffron parties are taking some correct stances in some cases like their teaching individuals for having unity and respect for the motherland.
Okay coming to your point..i would like to make it clear that most of the things regarding religion and culture are their on internet and i've reads it from there itself.
U'll accept the fact that human-beings started worshipping nature first i.e. the sun, the moon, the wind etc. (even u would have read it in some of your holy books that "lightening" too is described their as an angel of Allah..if 'am not wrong !!)
hence, the mecca was a temple of moon god reverred by quraysh people (the original inhabitants of mecca region)and as far as my understanding goes paigambar muhammad too belonged to the same clan, hence the importance to crescent moon.
lets go back again, when people used to rever nature..it happened in every civilisation, be it Babylonian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Mayan or Inca and even in our very own Indus valley civilisation. But as the time passed some wrong practices started creeping in whereby the Pharaohs were worshipped and everything was done to please them and even the pyramids were built after their death (which u know).
This wrong practice took its root in the Egyptian civilisation only and spread to the adjacent areas like Mecca - Medina where in the 7th century AD, Paigambar Muhammad stopped it.
(These are my understandings regarding religion and they are not mentioned anywhere either in India or on Internet..as far as i know, hence please do not consider it as a teaching of some party or organisation).
Regarding the Ayodhya, Ram-janmabhoomi, Babri Masjid issue.. i would like to suggest you to read, Ramayana whereby it is clearly mentioned that in Ayodhya and on the bank of River Saryu, Lord Rama was born.
Also, i would like to ask that okay even if their was a Babri Mosque but do you consider it to be so important that it is equivalent to Mecca that such a hue and cry had been made since 1992. But here on the other end, it is one of the most reverred places of Hindus. so if Islam is for peace then why don't they let Shri Rama's temple be built after all it is not the mecca which the hindus want.
(P.S.: these are my understandings of the vast issue regarding religion and i could be wrong in my evaluation too )
ReplyDeleteFirst thing - Adam (pbuh) is the first man on earth according to all the Abrahamic faiths (Islam , Judaism , Christianity)and he never worshipped nature.The concept of ONE God has been there since the first human being according to the three largest religions of the world.
ReplyDeleteSecond , One must read the scriptures of a religion to gain understanding about it instead of using 'internet' .There are many sites that engineer false information regarding Islam and the trend has become popular post 9/11.I hope you understand why.If you really want to know Islam and it's teachings , you must go to Islam sources (Quran +Hadith)and neutral sources for studying Islamic 'history'.There's a lot of anti-Islam propaganda on the net and a user like you who's not aware of what Islam is actually all about is prone to falling for whatever these websites feed.So I suggest you go for the original sources and Ill be more than willing to help you IF you require any.
Third - It's not about the level of sacredness of Babri Masjid.For us Muslims a Masjid is Allah's house.So every Masjid is respected.No doubt Kaaba is the most sacred place for us but that in no way means that we won't condemn a mob attacking and destroying a centuries old masjid Just because one day suddenly an old man saw Ram's shadow in the masjid.Ayodhya must be respectful for you but how do you prove that Ram was born exactly where the Masjid is?And why was the issue raised centuries later? 1948 for something that was done hundreds of years ago?!
I know you wont agree with me because of your staunch belief in whatever you are told , just like I wont move an inch from what I think is RIGHT so there's no point in arguing over this really.Just had to clarify your misconceptions.
The truth is out there.
Hi Natasha..
ReplyDeleteAgain you are not able to understand my point or even after understanding it seems that you don't want to accept it. You are saying about Abrahamic religion, then when do you think the first Abrahmic religion i.e. Christianity came into existence ?? at the time of Adam or at the time of Jesus ??
If you are a practical person and follow the archaeological findings and research work and not something which is mentioned in some holy scriptures (about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden eating forbidden apple) then you must be knowing that such concepts were not known to the human-beings some 2100 years back or so.
Since u've already raised this issue about Adam and Eve, then I would like to ask: do you feel that all the human race came into existence from one pair. Then if they were the first generation then what would have happened in their second generation ?? who would have married whom ??
Secondly: I would like to thankyou for the willingness of yours for helping me in the matters related to your religion.
I accept the fact that not everything which is mentioned on the Internet are true depiction of any particular subject.
Thirdly: regarding Ram Janmabhoomi, I can only say that I cannot expect that media at your side would have projected a neutral side, hence i know that people at your side of the border must've been thinking that Ram Janmabhoomi is a fake issue, which is an outrightly wrong belief.
There is and was a temple always at that place and this "dream" thing which u've mentioned is mere idiotic stuff to malign Hindus claim.
If u would have gone through history in proper light, then u would have found that there were many tortures, mass-executions done to convert Hindus in
pre-British India.
Also the issue as mentioned in one of your above comments regarding "settling scores" by majority over minority is not there in India but i can very-well see that happening in your NWFP region whereby Sikhs are harassed and tortured, asked for "Jaziya" and eventually are made to flee. Even in Kashmir, the Kashmiri Pandits were harassed, tortured, raped by the "majority" muslim population there and eventually made to flee.
Lacs of Hindus were massacred in Bangladesh in 1992 as a revenge of Babri demolition.
I never see any Pakistani or Muslim talking about those issues. why such a double standard ??
Also, if Pakistan gets enraged by the demolition of Babri Mosque, then why were the Pakistani government not enraged when Bamiyan Buddha statues were bombarded by the Talibani's, even when Pakistani Government had "good relations" with Taliban.... !!
isn't this a selective approach or you can say a selective memory whereby everything which is related to Islam is highlighted to the fore and every issue which is not islamic is a small one and hence should be forgotten.
(P.S.: please do not consider it as an attempt to malign a particular religion. i've just tried to explain in whatever best way i can)
I see there's no point in debating with you as you are dragging irrelevant stuff to put me down so I wont clarify much except this :
ReplyDeleteJudaism is OLDER than Christianity.Your knowledge regarding Abrahamic faiths is not good enough for you to debate on the issue.
AND...
Everything I say to you that you dont like is not necessarily FED to me by my OWN media.This is where I learnt about the Babri Masjid issue from :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCNMoYskw5k
End of discussion from my side.
Hey,
ReplyDeletethanks for correcting me regarding Judaism being older than Christianity. But the point is, it is not going to change the fact which i've stated in my previous comment.
Also, I am happy to know that you do not blindly follow whatever is FED by the media. But i feel as you've mentioned earlier to me regarding websites giving wrong information and vague picture regarding a particular religion..this too can happen with "youtube" (which u've used as your source).
And, one more thing, I've never tried to drag any issue.. i've just tried to answer your queries. Also don't ever feel that I am trying to put you down..nobody is going to give me an award here (even if somebody is going to reward me for that.. 'am not gonna do it..so don't think in that manner)
Well, I completely agree with Narendra. Taj Mahal was hindu Temple names as "TEJO MAHALAYA" built by Maharaja Jai Singh and here is the history for Natasha.
ReplyDeleteNo one has ever challenged it except Prof. P. N. Oak, who believes the whole world has been duped. In his book Taj Mahal: The True Story, Oak says the Taj Mahal is not Queen Mumtaz's tomb but an ancient Hindu temple palace of
Lord Shiva (then known as Tejo Mahalaya) . In the course of his research Oak discovered that the Shiva temple palace was usurped by Shah Jahan from then Maharaja of Jaipur, Jai Singh. In his own court ch ronicle, Badshahnama,
Shah Jahan admits that an exceptionally beautiful grand mansion in Agra was taken from Jai SIngh for Mumtaz's burial. The ex-Maharaja of Jaipur still retains in his secret collection two orders from Shah Jahan for
surrendering the Taj building. Using captured temples and mansions, as a burial place for
dead courtiers and royalty was a common practice among Muslim rulers.
For example, Humayun,Akbar, Etmud-ud-Daula and Safdarjung are all buried in such mansions. Oak's inquiries began with the name of Taj Mahal. He says the term " Mahal" has never been used for a building in any Muslim countries
from Afghanisthan to Algeria . "The unusual explanation that the term Taj Mahal derives from Mumtaz Mahal was illogical in atleast two respects.
Firstly, her name was never Mumtaz Mahal but Mumtaz-ul-Zamani," he writes.
Secondly, one cannot omit the first three letters 'Mum' from a woman's name to derive the remainder as the name for the building."Taj Mahal, he claims, is a corrupt version of Tejo Mahalaya, or Lord Shiva's Palace . Oak
also says the love story of Mumtaz and Shah Jahan is a fairy tale cre ated by
court sycophants, blundering historians and sloppy archaeologists Not a single royal chronicle of Shah Jahan's time corroborates the love story.
Furthermore, Oak cites several documents suggesting the Taj Mahal predates Shah Jahan's era, and was a temple dedicated to Shiva, worshipped by Rajputs of Agra city. For example, Prof. Marvin Miller of New York took a
few samples from the riverside doorway of the Taj. Carbon dating tests revealed that the door was 300 years older than Shah Jahan. European traveler Johan Albert Mandelslo,who visited Agra in 1638 (only seven years after Mumtaz's
death), describes the life of the cit y in his memoirs. But he makes no reference to the Taj Mahal being built. The writings of Peter Mundy, an English visitor to Agra within a year of Mumtaz's death, also suggest the Taj was a noteworthy building well before Shah Jahan's time.
Prof. Oak points out a number of design and architectural inconsistencies that support the belief of the Taj Mahal being a typical Hindu temple rather than a mausoleum. Many rooms in the Taj ! Mahal have remained sealed since Shah Jahan's time and are still inaccessible to the public. Oak asserts they contain a headless statue of Lord Shiva and other objects
commonly used for worship rituals in Hindu temples Fearing political backlash, Indira Gandhi's government tried to have Prof. Oak's book withdrawn from the bookstores, and threatened the Indian publisher of the
first edition dire consequences . There is only one way to discredit or validate Oak's research.
The current government should open the sealed rooms of the Taj Mahal under U.N. supervision, and let international experts investigate.
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